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R3GZ-SP
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| freedom14 wrote: | | But I've never seen the Skygrasper help the Strike Gundam change packs, or at least they rarely change. |
They did that in SEED, more than once.
| LastRaven wrote: | | btw if you mass produce freedoms, with those nuke reactors, when they die it's like Valentine war all over again, and MP suits die by thousands, so basically u have a mini sun when pit SF against MP freedom |
Yeah, you see, nuclear reactors don't randomly explode when damanged. For instance, if you hit a nuclear reactor, or even a nuclear cruise missile with another missile, there's not gonna be a nuclear explosion. It just doesn't work that way. Warheads are specially designed to explode in a horrendous fashion, reactors are not. However, the problem with violently destroying nuclear reactors is that it spreads the radioactive materials around, which will make people sick and die in a horrible way.
Which brings me to my next point: Why, oh why, do the nuclear suits in SEED use FISSION reactors? In every previous iteration of Gundam they used Fusion reactors, which work on an entirely different principle to derive nuclear energy. The thing with fusion reactors, is that the materials have such a short radioactive half-life that they are of no harm to humans or the environment. With fusion power only a few steps away from achieving validity in the REAL WORLD, why did SEED's creators take us back to the Cold War?
Now, Fusion reactors are under a great deal of pressure, so they might provide some nice fireworks, but nothing on the level of a nuclear warhead...
| Xns wrote: | | Prototypes are built usually only once. |
Actually, in the real world, they're usually built in twos. Production vehicles are usually far superior to prototypes. My favotire real world example when talking Gundam is the F-22 Raptor. The YF-22 Lightning II wouldn't beat the F-22A Raptor in a fight. In fact, the YF-22 doesn't even have a gun. It's a prototype, meant to demonstrate the capabilites of the airframe. It doesn't have a full set of avionics or weapons, it's just a demonstrator. The weapons and avionics development for the F-22 didn't even come until after the YF-22s flew. Also, the F-22 production matured from experiance learned in trials for the YF-22s. F-22s are faster, tougher and more mobile because of that. Just because they are production models doens't mean they lost something. They only gained.
Having mass production nuclear powered modile suits in SEED would be expensive, but that's what we have come to expect from military development. Weapon systems are expensive. The current price of a single F-22 is somewhere in the area of 130 million dollars, and that's down from over 300 million previously.
On an almost unrelated note, I've noticed the general lack of respect for current day fighter designs when talking Gundam with people. I've also noticed the skewed sense of the size of mobile suits when compared by current day weapons systems. Mobile suits aren't really that big. In fact, Strike Gundam is 4 feet *shorter* than an F-22.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| babyykisses wrote: | | (Correct me if i'm wrong but) About the nuclear power... isn't that what leaves the radioactive waste that has nowhere to be discarded to? And wouldn't that be a danger to the environment? So wouldn't it be very bad to continue with the mass production that was apparently there? |
Currently the United States is building a huge foritified wearhouse out in the middle of the Utah Desert, in a concrete, steel reinforced structure covered with Dirt and dug some 1000ft down that can hold the United States' nuclear waste for the next two thousand years. |
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R3GZ-SP
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| Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:07 am Post subject: |
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Nuclear waste won't be a problem anymore when they master nuclear fusion technology.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| R3GZ-SP wrote: | | why did SEED's creators take us back to the Cold War? |
For more controversy I guess. When characters in SEED heard about Nuclear powered suits there was usually a little *gasp* OMG. Plus, if they had mastered Fusion it would make the whole power gap invalid. One of the main points in SEED was power, suits running on batteries. All this N-Jammer biz
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 8:50 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Which brings me to my next point: Why, oh why, do the nuclear suits in SEED use FISSION reactors? In every previous iteration of Gundam they used Fusion reactors, which work on an entirely different principle to derive nuclear energy. The thing with fusion reactors, is that the materials have such a short radioactive half-life that they are of no harm to humans or the environment. With fusion power only a few steps away from achieving validity in the REAL WORLD, why did SEED's creators take us back to the Cold War? |
Since we haven't yet completely understood nuclear fusion, the writers just kept it closer to reality which is the use of nuclear fission in power plants.
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| ShinnAsuka42 wrote: | | Quote: | | Which brings me to my next point: Why, oh why, do the nuclear suits in SEED use FISSION reactors? In every previous iteration of Gundam they used Fusion reactors, which work on an entirely different principle to derive nuclear energy. The thing with fusion reactors, is that the materials have such a short radioactive half-life that they are of no harm to humans or the environment. With fusion power only a few steps away from achieving validity in the REAL WORLD, why did SEED's creators take us back to the Cold War? |
Since we haven't yet completely understood nuclear fusion, the writers just kept it closer to reality which is the use of nuclear fission in power plants. |
Yes, but CE is quite easily more than a hundred years into the future. If we almost have Fusion technology NOW, then surely a hundred years from now it should be commonplace. It would be closer to reality to have used fusion power.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 12:59 am Post subject: |
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Can the Forbidden's Geschmeidig-Panzer shield system built on the backpack block physical melee and projectile attacks in addition to deflecting beam shots ?
Can it also stop beam swords and other short to close combat beam weapons ? |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:03 am Post subject: |
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| 252 wrote: | | Can the Forbidden's Geschmeidig-Panzer shield system built on the backpack block physical melee and projectile attacks in addition to deflecting beam shots ? |
Yes it do, but it won't be more effective than normal shields in blocking those.
| 252 wrote: | | Can it also stop beam swords and other short to close combat beam weapons ? |
Yes but it won't deflect the beams anymore. Basically you can consider that is a normal shield with the additional features of deflecting ranged beam attack.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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Blitz was acually my favourite of the 8
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Unilateral
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Systems. It seemed so cool in that black and the stealth capabilities.
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Hello! 
I wanted to know how many Mobile Suits the Archangel, Minerva, and the Eternal can carry. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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I would love to see all the other Forbidden gundam units, does anyone know any sites or pictures that shows the other units? Or are there even any other units? Because this site says that there are multiple units.
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