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Klaha Sama Failed Ultimate Coordinator

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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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Since when has the Q & A thread turned into a debate thread? The whole debate itself seems to have come up randomly with the post that Anthony99 made a couple of days ago.
This thread is for basic questions and answers not opinion and debate. If you wish to continue your discussion then I suggest you take it to the appropriate thread.
Lets see we have:
Who is the strongest Ace pilot of CE?
Note: I believe this is limited to Kira in Freedom, Athrun in Justice and Shinn in Destiny.
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Note: It's a little old but it involves discussion/debate on who the strongest character is. _________________
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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i vote we continue this in Who is the strongest Ace pilot of CE?
4 pages, and in the SEED destiny section. _________________
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SirWence MS Group Captain

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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:26 am Post subject: |
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I truly regret having to ask this, But in the ending of Gundam Seed Destiny Final plus (the ending itself) I have lost the translation of what athrun said. Could someone simply link me it or tell me. I ironically detested GSD.. But I found the Intro and Ending to GSD:FP to the some of my most enjoyed ops and outs. _________________ To be Guided by the light of reason you must let your mind be bold
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YennoX Fleet Admiral

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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:31 am Post subject: |
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I actually liked GSD better than GS. Though the last 15 or so episodes were GSD's ultimate downfall. _________________
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SirWence MS Group Captain

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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:46 am Post subject: |
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to each there own opinion but the ratings were far worse for GSD and you are likely in the minority.. But Still does anyone know the answer to my above question? _________________ To be Guided by the light of reason you must let your mind be bold
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:52 am Post subject: |
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| SirWence: I have a copy of Final Plus, but around what time are you looking for? Athrun may not have that many lines, but it's still a lot of lines to transcribe without knowing what I'm looking for. |
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SirWence MS Group Captain

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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:48 am Post subject: |
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Forgive my mistype - it is the Final Cut ending and can be found here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeWWce3geIM _________________ To be Guided by the light of reason you must let your mind be bold
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:44 am Post subject: |
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| YennoX wrote: | | I actually liked GSD better than GS. Though the last 15 or so episodes were GSD's ultimate downfall. |
^_^
I like last 15 of GSD the best. Um... my reason is....
Last 15 of GSD is about Destiny Plan (or last 10, or 5?). Destiny is something everyone know and perhaps thought about. "Do we make our own destiny or are we predestinated?"
Based on what I understand, Kira and the rest of the gang disagree with Gilbert's Destiny Plan for these reasons.
1. Destiny is created by us (human). Not the other way around.
2. If you are predestined, than you have no choice of changing your future. (and to me, I want to be able to change future when I want).
3. Um... I think these two are the major reasons. Unless I forgot something.
Well anyway, my point is that if we control our destiny, we have power to control our own future. And this is why last 15 (10 or 5, i need to double check this later or something) of GSD is the best (and my favorite animate on my list) for ME. _________________ Gundam Seed/Gundam Seed Destiny....
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YennoX Fleet Admiral

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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:59 am Post subject: |
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The last 15 may be the most 'meaningful', but are also the episodes where the science disappears and are overidden by the bad scriptwriting. _________________
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:23 am Post subject: |
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I agree...
I liked Seed and Seed Destiny because I had a great time watching it even if it has lot of shortcomings (the least of which is the bad scriptwriting). That's all I need to really enjoy a Gundam series or any other anime for that matter.
I mean, c'mon, all Gundam series has its own shortcomings. It's really up to us how to get past those if we really want to enjoy the show. Besides, we can always stop watching and wait for the next series.
Now I believe we can all return this thread to its original purpose, shall we? |
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YennoX Fleet Admiral

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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 6:32 am Post subject: |
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I was wondering the difference in performance between a regular beam sabre and an ASS. Is an ASS better purely because it's longer, larger, and has a cooler name? While going against ships and vessels, I suppose that ASS are more effective, since they were made for that purpose. But Is an ASS stronger than a beam sabre on a regular one-on-one battle with another MS? I mean, Destiny wasn't armed with any beam sabres, only and ASS (and 2 boomerangs and melee weapons), implying that with the ASS, the conventional beam sabres would not be needed. Does anyone have any idea on the difference in performance between ASSes and beam sabres? Also, wouldn't ASSes be at a disadvantage, seeing as they are single-sided, whereas a beam sabre has 360 degrees piercing capabilities? And the material used in the ASS? What sort of material would it need to pierce through (and not break) while stabbing it into the hull of a ship (like Shinn did tonnes of times) and through Freedom's chest. Does the tip have piercing capabilities too? _________________
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 6:38 am Post subject: |
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Don't forget that Destiny's beam boomerangs could also double as beam sabers.
The way I see it, the ASS (I love the acronym for it) would have more heft to it due to it's size and design, thus allowing it to do a greater amount of damage based on the momentum it would achieve when being wielded. As for stabbing, it clearly has a traditional sword-tip to it, which, if made out strong enough material, which it would be due it's purpose, would have no trouble piercing metals. However, I think the real reason behind giving Destiny the ASS was to make it look cool  _________________ Gundam Series, General Discussion and Other Mod |
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YennoX Fleet Admiral

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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 6:47 am Post subject: |
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Does destiny's ASS have a name? I mean, Impulse has Excaliber. Destiny's ASS can only be more effective. I'm not sure if it's true, but from my observations, it's even longer, and has more detail to it. I think it would need a unique name...
O, speaking of Destiny's ASS, you know that little extra bit near the tip which sticks out? Wouldn't it be a hindrance? I'm not sure if you have any idea on what i'm talking about...so tell me if you need me to elaborate more... _________________
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 6:53 am Post subject: |
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| YennoX wrote: | | Does destiny's ASS have a name? I mean, Impulse has Excaliber. Destiny's ASS can only be more effective. I'm not sure if it's true, but from my observations, it's even longer, and has more detail to it. I think it would need a unique name. |
Its called the Arondight. _________________
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WildKard Spork-o-matic

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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:37 am Post subject: |
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Yennox, do you mean the sword tip or the bit that sticks out behind the hand guard on the handle? _________________ Gundam Series, General Discussion and Other Mod |
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Wanderer Special Forces Member

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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 11:16 am Post subject: |
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i think he's talking about a little bit of blade that sticks out behind the tip. its on the backside, the side that isn't used to cut, right? if he's talking about that, its probably for the stabbing technique Shin likes to use, since Destiny was designed for Shin.having that little bit could help the ASS do more damage, and that little bit of blade sticking out behind the tip of the ASS could be the difference that determines if Kira got stabbed and killed in ep. 34. _________________
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YennoX Fleet Admiral

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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:39 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, I was talking about that extra blade that sticks out on the non-cutting side near the sword tip. But the design doesn't seem very effective for stabbing... _________________
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WildKard Spork-o-matic

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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:26 am Post subject: |
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It would cause additional damage once the sword-tip had penetrated an object as it would cause the gap to be ripped further open. However, its placement, and the fact that it's the only cutting edge on an otherwise flat surface would make it rather useless. On the same side though, it gives Destiny a weapon for defence or offence should the ASS be swung at a target and miss, thus allowing the sword to be brought back in the opposite direction and still have some kind of a cutting edge to attack with without having to flip the sword around completely. But again, due its size, it is rendered relatively useless, even for that purpose.
I think, in short, it's there simply to look cool. _________________ Gundam Series, General Discussion and Other Mod |
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Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:42 am Post subject: |
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i have some questions to ask
first: i was watching episode 22, and orb decided to attack minerva, why??
and where is minerva now, aren't they in guinhal{i guess}, when they broke in and conqured it?, so how will orb attack them?and what is suez had to do with it?
i am really confused now!!!!  _________________ "its wether you win or lose but how you fight" |
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Klaha Sama Failed Ultimate Coordinator

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Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| rikkue wrote: | | first: i was watching episode 22, and orb decided to attack minerva, why?? |
Orb has aligned itself with The Earth Alliance, that is why it's attacking the Minerva. At the beginning of the episode Djibril and President Copland are discussing the war and Djibril expresses his displeasure with how the way things are going at that point. In that discussion Djibril decides to use Orb to drive ZAFT forces out of the Black Sea. With Cagalli gone and Yuuna in charge and in favor with an alliance with The Earth Alliance it was only a matter of time before they got involved in the war. _________________
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rikkue Civilian
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:44 am Post subject: |
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well, and where were they when they are being attacked? which country is it? and what is suez have to do with this??
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ohh and yunna is not cagalli husband, right? _________________ "its wether you win or lose but how you fight" |
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Klaha Sama Failed Ultimate Coordinator

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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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| rikkue wrote: | well, and where were they when they are being attacked? which country is it? and what is suez have to do with this??
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ohh and yunna is not cagalli husband, right? |
I am not completely sure. If I remember correctly ZAFT forces were ordered to attack the Earth Alliance/Orb forces in the area of the Sea of Marmara and Talia's plan was to go through the Dardanelles channel and attack from there.
No, Yuuna is not Cagalli's husband. The wedding ceremony was never completed because Kira kidnapped Cagalli with the Freedom Gundam. Yuuna is making Orb think that they are married so they will believe that he is the leader with Cagalli away. _________________
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry, I was looking around and noticed this post. I thought I'd clear it up.
| Anthony99 wrote: | | We don't know. Maybe Kira somehow got out. He saw Athrun getting out and it took time for Athrun to get away. So Kira saw Athrun fly away. Maybe he got out? We don't know. And, one battle is not going to prove who is better. Kira as more kills by far, is he better? He was first to go into SEED mode, is he better? If he went into SEED mode first, could hed have more skill because he went into it first? People can look at this and say yes or no. Whatever I say is going to be wrong because it is your opinion. Either we need the movie to tell because Athrun is finally thinking straight, not double checking what he is doing. |
Actually, we know exactly what happened. In Gundam SEED Astray, Lowe Gear goes to see the Reverend Malchio for information on the Giga Float. By sheer chance he comes across the duel between Kira and Athrun. After the Aegis self-destructs, Lowe moves in to examine the Strike and finds that the emergency blast doors closed on the cockpit, thus saving Kira's life. Pulling the unconcious pilot from his Mobile Suit, Lowe rushes to the house of Reverend Malchio, under whose care Kira stays until we next see him in the series.
Addendum: Upon further inspection, I just remembered that this was the Gundam SEED Destiny Q&A thread. What was this question doing here?  _________________ Has no real point of view
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Does anyone know a website where you can watch Gundam Seed Destiny Special Edition online for free without downloading it? I tried to look for it with google but i cant find any....... so if you know please tell me! |
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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anime6.org is a nice website. Though if you go there at peak hours, then the videos hardly ever load. _________________
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