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| vrdabomb5717 wrote: | | Okay, now it's my turn. What exactly is the difference between phase-shift armor and trans-phase, other than different colors? Lots of people have asked this question, but I've felt that they never got a satisfactory answer. |
and for the Destroy gundam of GSD ofcourse
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Hey there i'm fairly new to the Gundam series and i have only watched gundam seed and seed destiny. I was wondering if there is a series that foloows on from the end of destiny, and if so what it was called so i can watch it. Cheers
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Right now there is no series that follows after Gundam Seed Destiny. There is supposed to be a Gundam Seed movie coming out but there is very little information on it so we have no clue when or if it will be out.
I am not sure if you know this but there is something out there called Gundam Seed Destiny FINAL PLUS which basically shows the final battle again followed by a few extra minutes of new material. There is also the 4th Special Edition of Gundam Seed Destiny that shows even more new material that is supposed to set us up for the movie.
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Thanks i just watched the extended ending, it cleared up a lot of questions i had to do with the whole Athrun, Kira and Shinn relationship. Also wht is going with all the relationships in the series it seems like Shinn and Luna are together but he also iked Stellar, and then there's Cagalli and Athrun, with Meyrin tagging along. The only clear relationship is Kiba and Lacus' haha
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| adamKORE wrote: | | Thanks i just watched the extended ending, it cleared up a lot of questions i had to do with the whole Athrun, Kira and Shinn relationship. Also wht is going with all the relationships in the series it seems like Shinn and Luna are together but he also iked Stellar, and then there's Cagalli and Athrun, with Meyrin tagging along. The only clear relationship is Kiba and Lacus' haha |
Relationships in GSD is messing up my head as well. Shinn and Luna are together, and it does seem like he used to like Stellar. He still thinks back to Stellar then and again, but Stellar is dead, and it is impossible for them to be together, so basically he just passed on. Athrun and Cagalli is plain messed. Athrun's feelings for Cagalli are very deep and all, but then theres Meyrin. There is basically no way to say whether Athrun and Cagalli are impossible now, or if Athrun and meyrin is possible...
and yes, Kira and Lacus is a definite couple. For heavens sake, they act like an old grannyxgramps couple |
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| babyykisses wrote: | | Relationships in GSD is messing up my head as well. Shinn and Luna are together, and it does seem like he used to like Stellar. |
To me Shinn's relationship with Stellar was more on the level of Brother and Sister. Shinn seems to treat Stellar like somone who needed to be protected and not someone he genuinely loved for their personality. At least to me it seemed rather obvious that Shinn was basically making up for his failure to protect his sister with Stellar.
| Quote: | | He still thinks back to Stellar then and again, but Stellar is dead, and it is impossible for them to be together, so basically he just passed on. |
Death doesn't necessarily change how people feel about one another. There are plenty of widows and widowers who still love their dead wife or husband, and that doesn't change simply because they're dead. Newtype recently posted an article about a man in real life who listened to his dead wifes voice mail so he could hear her voice.
| Quote: | | Athrun and Cagalli is plain messed. Athrun's feelings for Cagalli are very deep and all, but then theres Meyrin. |
In the OVA movies Cagalli doesn't remove the ring on screen but you never see her wearing it again, and she still seems incredibly distant from Atrhun. So yeah their relationship seems to be dead in the water.
| Quote: | | There is basically no way to say whether Athrun and Cagalli are impossible now, or if Athrun and meyrin is possible... |
Supposedly the movie is back in production but I'm thinking BS.
| Quote: | | and yes, Kira and Lacus is a definite couple. For heavens sake, they act like an old grannyxgramps couple |
According to Fukuda Kira doesn't like anyone in SEED. And until the hug in Destiny he still didn't.
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| RedZaku wrote: | | babyykisses wrote: | | Relationships in GSD is messing up my head as well. Shinn and Luna are together, and it does seem like he used to like Stellar. |
To me Shinn's relationship with Stellar was more on the level of Brother and Sister. Shinn seems to treat Stellar like somone who needed to be protected and not someone he genuinely loved for their personality. At least to me it seemed rather obvious that Shinn was basically making up for his failure to protect his sister with Stellar.
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I would beg to differ, but I can see where you're coming from. It probuly comes from watching the series a couple times over, but they seemed to get to know each other pretty well during their time trapped by the ocean.
I realise Shinn's mental state and all, but even if I came across someone I simply met on the battlefield, I would be somewhat sorry for fighting and possibly killing them, but move on. And when in battle, Shinn literaly seemed to go beserk accepting when in SEED mode. If their relationship had simply been a slight association, I garuntee you he wouldn't have hesitated.
This did not seem to be the case with Shinn, so I think that a lot more went on down there than was actualy shown(nothing inappropriate). |
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Hi, I was wondering what the name of the song @ around 11:25 of episode 29 is? Thanks
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| Sarik Ostheim wrote: |
I realise Shinn's mental state and all, but even if I came across someone I simply met on the battlefield, I would be somewhat sorry for fighting and possibly killing them, but move on. And when in battle, Shinn literaly seemed to go beserk accepting when in SEED mode. If their relationship had simply been a slight association, I garuntee you he wouldn't have hesitated.
This did not seem to be the case with Shinn, so I think that a lot more went on down there than was actualy shown(nothing inappropriate). |
Not intending to be rude at all here--but Red just said (And I agree) That the relationship between Shinn and Stellar was akin to a brother and sister, or more specifically an older brother and a younger sister.
How exactly is that a 'slight association'? If someone ever hurt or killed my sisters I'd be going insane.
Shinn looks to Stellar as a chance to save Mayu (despite the fact that he's well aware she's not Mayu.) He looks at it like a chance to prevent that from happening again--so when she's killed it's not just the fact that he's had his 'second' sister taken from him, but additionally that once again he was unable to do anything to protect her.
It's a lot to deal with. |
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| pakistexican88x wrote: | | Hi, I was wondering what the name of the song @ around 11:25 of episode 29 is? Thanks |
ep 29. of GSD - Kimi wa boku ni niteru |
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| Jaeden wrote: | | Sarik Ostheim wrote: |
I realise Shinn's mental state and all, but even if I came across someone I simply met on the battlefield, I would be somewhat sorry for fighting and possibly killing them, but move on. And when in battle, Shinn literaly seemed to go beserk accepting when in SEED mode. If their relationship had simply been a slight association, I garuntee you he wouldn't have hesitated.
This did not seem to be the case with Shinn, so I think that a lot more went on down there than was actualy shown(nothing inappropriate). |
Not intending to be rude at all here--but Red just said (And I agree) That the relationship between Shinn and Stellar was akin to a brother and sister, or more specifically an older brother and a younger sister.
How exactly is that a 'slight association'? If someone ever hurt or killed my sisters I'd be going insane.
Shinn looks to Stellar as a chance to save Mayu (despite the fact that he's well aware she's not Mayu.) He looks at it like a chance to prevent that from happening again--so when she's killed it's not just the fact that he's had his 'second' sister taken from him, but additionally that once again he was unable to do anything to protect her.
It's a lot to deal with. |
I never said their association was slight. By no means. I was just expressing how I interpretted their relationship a bit different, and how a lot more went on than was actualy shown in the series or the mangas.
And bringing that to light, I know from experience that sibling/sibling relationships don't develop overnight, even for blood brothers or sisters, but affection can. |
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| Sarik Ostheim wrote: | | I never said their association was slight. By no means. I was just expressing how I interpretted their relationship a bit different, and how a lot more went on than was actualy shown in the series or the mangas. |
>.> Isn't that the point though? If it's not shown on screen or in the manga's then it didn't happen? If you personally feel Shinn saw Stellar as a love interest that's all fine and well but if you're supporting it by saying stuff happened that wasn't shown anywhere. That's not good reasoning.
| Quote: | | And bringing that to light, I know from experience that sibling/sibling relationships don't develop overnight, even for blood brothers or sisters, but affection can. |
It takes more then one night o develop feelings for love. And honestly after Shinn spends time with Stellar after she's captured it really doesn't seem at all like love and more like he wants to protect her because Stellar is as naive and innocent as they come. I honestly don't see Shinn viewing her as someone to have a mature adult relationship with if for no other reason then the fact she's so childlike it really just makes viewing her in any romantic light almost impossible. What I think we get is, Shinn sees this innocence in Stellar and how she's being used and she in effect becomes a second Mayu. Someone he must protect from war at all costs.
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| RedZaku wrote: | | Sarik Ostheim wrote: | | I never said their association was slight. By no means. I was just expressing how I interpretted their relationship a bit different, and how a lot more went on than was actualy shown in the series or the mangas. |
>.> Isn't that the point though? If it's not shown on screen or in the manga's then it didn't happen? If you personally feel Shinn saw Stellar as a love interest that's all fine and well but if you're supporting it by saying stuff happened that wasn't shown anywhere. That's not good reasoning.
| Quote: | | And bringing that to light, I know from experience that sibling/sibling relationships don't develop overnight, even for blood brothers or sisters, but affection can. |
It takes more then one night o develop feelings for love. And honestly after Shinn spends time with Stellar after she's captured it really doesn't seem at all like love and more like he wants to protect her because Stellar is as naive and innocent as they come. I honestly don't see Shinn viewing her as someone to have a mature adult relationship with if for no other reason then the fact she's so childlike it really just makes viewing her in any romantic light almost impossible. What I think we get is, Shinn sees this innocence in Stellar and how she's being used and she in effect becomes a second Mayu. Someone he must protect from war at all costs. |
Look, I'm not interested in starting an argument, just to show my view of things. I never watched much of the japenese version, which I believe she said "I like you" at death, not "I love you". That's where I personaly get my load of crap from.
So my ten cents are up, and I gotta go to work anyway. Have a good morning. |
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| babyykisses wrote: | | pakistexican88x wrote: | | Hi, I was wondering what the name of the song @ around 11:25 of episode 29 is? Thanks |
ep 29. of GSD - Kimi wa boku ni niteru |
Does the piano version have a different name? because I cant find it anywhere.
Edit: never mind. I found it. It's called Kimi to Boku, Todokanu Omoi
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| Wanderer wrote: | Kira was in the cockpit when it exploded. i don't where it is written, but i think its in the Astray mangas.
and no, going into SEED mode doesn't make him better, i'll explain. SEED mode is like a secret weapon, "extra tricks up the sleeves", yes? secret weapons are usually used when someone is in a desperate situation, "i got no choice" type of situation, yes? then with that said, Kira is not better, he is always getting into a situation where he needs the SEED. if anything, the less someone uses SEED, instead of relying of the secret weapon every battle like Kira, and to a certain extent, Shin, the better it reflects his piloting skills. from what i see Athrun uses SEED the least, and when he DOES use it, he is unbeatable, unlike Kira and Shin.
and Shin, i say he is better than Kira simply by looking at his battle tactics. Shin uses SEED a lot like Kira, but Shin's moves in Impulse were elite. he is known to be able to adapt and change different strategies and tactics, looking at the enemy and what might work or not against it. Kira just uses the same old strategies. shoot, shoot, full burst spam. even when its obvious rifles are useless against Destroy, it took Impulse to fly in with a saber to show Kira what will work, what won't. and then Kira's next battle, its back to shooting again, never learns. |
Kira got in more desperate situations. Everyone is basically unbeatable in beginning when SEED mode was first being used. Then people start losing in SEED mode or what would be the point?
EDIT: oh and btw, Athrun did see his power level. When he first landed on the land after his flyer got shot down. He saw his power level at critical.
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| Quote: | | According to Fukuda Kira doesn't like anyone in SEED. And until the hug in Destiny he still didn't. |
I don't think so.At first Kira liked Fray Alster from the first look.The same happend with Lacus.Especially when he brought her lunch when she was captive his expression showed everything.What stopped him from doing his move was that he learned about her engagement with Athrun, not knowing that they were not trully in love.In addition, almost all openings support KiraXLacus relationship.
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| Quote: | | According to Fukuda Kira doesn't like anyone in SEED. And until the hug in Destiny he still didn't. |
The staff behind SEED and Destiny say quite a lot of things.. that a lot of people disagree with.. like Athrun and Cagalli not really loving each other (I think morosawa said that in an interview), so the Kira not liking anyone statement doesn't make much sense either.. though thats what he might've intended, thats not exactly what the viewers (most?) see . |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| babyykisses wrote: |
The staff behind SEED and Destiny say quite a lot of things.. that a lot of people disagree with.. like Athrun and Cagalli not really loving each other (I think morosawa said that in an interview), so the Kira not liking anyone statement doesn't make much sense either.. though thats what he might've intended, thats not exactly what the viewers (most?) see . |
The obvious lies in the Geass interviews have let me to not completely trust staff interviews anymore regarding Sunrise shows, or really any show now. It's sad that its come to the point where people are being told to lie to cover up problems but I guess in this day and age everything is politics even TV.
So really theres a good chance what the staff is saying isn't really what they believe but the bosses are telling them to say. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:39 am Post subject: Will there ever be a seed series after Destiny? |
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| Hi im just wondering if any 1 noe there will be a new seed series after destiny i really liked the seed series the gundam 00 plot just sucks. |
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In all likelihood there will not be another series and any chance of the movie actually getting made are looking lees likely each and every passing second.
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| AquamanOS wrote: | The obvious lies in the Geass interviews have let me to not completely trust staff interviews anymore regarding Sunrise shows, or really any show now. It's sad that its come to the point where people are being told to lie to cover up problems but I guess in this day and age everything is politics even TV.
So really theres a good chance what the staff is saying isn't really what they believe but the bosses are telling them to say. |
Is it just me or does this come off as one of those bitter sort of replies where you disagree with what the writers wanted so automatically they must be lieing to help validate your personal interpretations? After all, if they're lying because of the company you can't be wrong. Sorry but that's how it's coming off on this one. It really does seem like one of those, they're wrong because I'm right types of arguments. Apologies I'm not out to offend you but the whole company conspiracy really does make it seem that that.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:57 am Post subject: What other series are good? |
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| Hey im not a big fan of gundam series but i did watch gundam wing, gundam seed and destiny and they were pretty good i just wanna ask can anyone gimme some info on which other series are good? |
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Is it just me or does this come off as one of those bitter sort of replies where you disagree with what the writers wanted so automatically they must be lieing to help validate your personal interpretations? After all, if they're lying because of the company you can't be wrong. Sorry but that's how it's coming off on this one. It really does seem like one of those, they're wrong because I'm right types of arguments. Apologies I'm not out to offend you but the whole company conspiracy really does make it seem that that. |
Nope there were several production problems in Geass season 1 that were lied about by the head producers and later on proven not to be the case.
Example: "Clip shows added due to fan demand" They weren't.(what kinds of fans request clip shows?) The clip shows were there because the staff was behind because they started airing on tv when only 6 eps were finished so it eventually caught up with them.
"The finale 2 ep special a few months after the rest of the series ended was planned like that from the begining" (they said planned alot in this interview). It wasn't. They only had a 25 ep slot and ran out of space because of the two clip shows. They actually adjusted the budget going into the pre finale eps after finding this out so it couldn't have been planned from the beginning.
The series was so surpisingly popular that they decided to make a sequel and the first season ending had to be changed to extend the show. Also a lie. Geass was planned as a 50 ep show from the beginning and was cut down to 25 with an additional 25 if the series didn't tank (which Sunrise was expecting) They'd had the 2nd season planned out before the first even started airing.
Those are a few examples. It was rather similar to that one animation director complaining that they couldn't edit the scripts properly due to Morosawas lateness while Fukuda said that no everything was planned that way. I'm not saying Fukuda is definitely lying (but all these excuses about the movie lately seem really suspicious) but that creators can be made to lie and sadly anime has gotten so political that you can't even be sure directors are really saying what they want to say. So I take them with a grain of salt now. |
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| AquamanOS wrote: | Nope there were several production problems in Geass season 1 that were lied about by the head producers and later on proven not to be the case.
Example: "Clip shows added due to fan demand" They weren't.(what kinds of fans request clip shows?) The clip shows were there because the staff was behind because they started airing on tv when only 6 eps were finished so it eventually caught up with them. |
>.> Believe it or not there are some people who do like Clip shows. The idea one was requestred in Japan isn't that surprising either, bgiven that Code Geass didn't pick up ratings until midway into the broadcast, so fans requesting a means to catch up isn't unusual at all. I kinda buy that one in the case of Geass.
| Quote: | | "The finale 2 ep special a few months after the rest of the series ended was planned like that from the begining" (they said planned alot in this interview). It wasn't. They only had a 25 ep slot and ran out of space because of the two clip shows. They actually adjusted the budget going into the pre finale eps after finding this out so it couldn't have been planned from the beginning. |
You can plan a series from the beginning and extra episodes and still not necessarily have budget for said episodes. That doesn't necessarily mean they weren't planned just they weren't likely to get produced. See, most of what you're saying is incredibly subjective and speculative. Finding you have the budget for the two episode special, does not mean it wasn't planned. I see where your coming from, but still one there is nothing to suggest it wasn't planned.
| Quote: | | The series was so surpisingly popular that they decided to make a sequel and the first season ending had to be changed to extend the show. Also a lie. Geass was planned as a 50 ep show from the beginning and was cut down to 25 with an additional 25 if the series didn't tank (which Sunrise was expecting) They'd had the 2nd season planned out before the first even started airing. |
They did. >.> Geass was always going to be 50 episodes. The plan was just like that of Gundam 00. Half now, and half later. I wouldn't say Gundam 00's second season was completely impromptu just because of ratings. Same here, Geass has a second season because it was almost supposed to.
| Quote: | | Those are a few examples. It was rather similar to that one animation director complaining that they couldn't edit the scripts properly due to Morosawas lateness while Fukuda said that no everything was planned that way. |
>.> Fukuda said the plan from the beginning was for Shinn to lose everything. That's not the same as planning to make Kira the star. Fukuda only commented on Shinn losing being planned. He made no mention of how they were originally supposed to get tot that conclusion. So it doesn't contradict the animation director's blog at all.
| Quote: | | I'm not saying Fukuda is definitely lying (but all these excuses about the movie lately seem really suspicious) but that creators can be made to lie and sadly anime has gotten so political that you can't even be sure directors are really saying what they want to say. So I take them with a grain of salt now. |
I get where your skeptism comes from, but there wasn't really anything in your post thatg really would convince me that they were lieing in this case. Like having a special edition planned isn't the same thing as knowing they'll get made, or Geass was originally only going to be 25 episodes. Actually the earliest press releases confirm it's a 50 episode series, though I'd imagine had Geass not gotten good ratings it would have ended at 25.
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