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lol...
Yep, the problem that this series also has is in the character growth department.......Did they focus too much on any one character????
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On Athrun.....
I thought that he would take into account what he went trough in the first series....But like said, in this one he seems " wishy washy"
Seems like Kira kept his character growth....He seemed the most stable out of Shin and Athrun. But it seems like Athrun just began to revert to his old ways of being brainwashed, and believing a man he does not know well over his friends...after what he went trough in the first season is just plain weird....(But I guess like said, seems the most human behavior)
Cagalli was some what stable....(Also began to break down due to pressure)
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The ones that seem the most: Stable are Kira and Lacus.....
Take into account the first series....
Kira does not want to fight, but in the end realizes that he must do so for peace, and heck only fights when people try to kill him....
In the second Season: People see him as "indestructible" or in other people's business...he fights for what he believes in.....
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-So it makes it seem like the best characters are Kira and lacus since they don't show as much weaknesses.....they appear the strongest....
-Summary....DID any character learn anything besides Kira and Lacus?
-I Hope so....
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The potential of Destiny was completely ruined by Fukuda's favoritism and Chiaki Morosawa appalling writing.
The chaotic issues(late scripts, changing plot, protagonist change, stock footage, clip shows, and financial management) that went on in the back stage of this production are beyond belief. The gear change on the protagonist mid way through the series was probably the worst of them all. I have no idea how the original plot was suppose to be, but the original that stayed with Shinn as the protagonist would have been much more satisfying, because the latter half seemed like something Morosawa came up on the spot.
Shinn Asuka,
His potential as a great character was ruined. Throughout the series, all he had was this immense hatred for anyone he did not see eye to eye. That hatred had eased a bit right up until the interventions of Archangel, which is where I think Fukuda decided to change gears. His relationship with Athrun went back and forth, essentially a love/hate relationship. His feelings of ORB did not change until the last episode and Final Plus, which was way too abrupt. His hatred towards Freedom for accidentally killing his family and the killing Stellar should have changed slowly changed into forgiveness as the series went along. Making peace with a handshake in the Final Plus was way too sudden.
Personally, I would have like him to mature throughout the series and and view the war as the human named Shinn Asuka, not as Coordinator, not as a soldier, not a part of ZAFT nor Gilbert's body guard. His hatred in the beginning should have eased as Athrun continued to mentor him, and eventually make him see the war without the influence of Gilbert or Rey but rather with his own ideas. To give him some more struggle, I would have had Shinn kill Stellar by his own hand to save civilians.
Kira Yamato,
He was the same from his cameo to the Final Plus. He did not experience any type of suffering, pain or struggle. His character was in stasis throughout all of Destiny. He had no character development for someone who was constantly competing with Shinn for screen time during the latter half of the series. He did not change at all, which was disappointing because he had so much emotion in Seed.
Personally, I would have continued his torture initiated by Rau Le Crueset. To me, he escaped from the ghosts of Mendel way too fast. Since Fukuda did bother with his rip-off of the Newtype flash, I think Hibiki might have dumped some of Al Da Flaga's genes into his own son. Using this assumption added with Canard Pars, memories of Rau Le Crueset, the circumstances around his birth/creation, add some more blood onto his hands and maybe some manipulation from Gilbert, driving him insane is not impossible. It would have been great to see him overcome all the dirty secrets of his father's research. If possible Athrun and Shinn could be thrown into the mix, to have Shinn save the one who accidentally killed his family from insanity would be great character development.
Athrun Zala,
He developed alright, but he ended the exact same way as he did in Seed. Going through the same development of finding himself twice is pretty lame. With Shinn Asuka as the main protagonist, Athrun was definitely meant to mentor Shinn so that he would be able to see the war in a better light. However Fukuda decided to bump Shinn off the Protagonist platform, this automatically canceled Athrun's job as a mentor. It really would have been great to see Athrun mentor him to see war differently as he had done because they both enlisted because of the death of family as a result of war.
From the scenario I have created Athrun has mainly four simultaneous routes of development including Shinn, Cagalli, (insane) Kira, and Gilbert. He would struggle in his relationship with a ORB Representative as a ZAFT soldier. Considering how he was fighting against Kira for the first half of Seed, it would be great to see him desperately trying to save him from insanity only to fail in the end. It would be interesting to see him mentor someone would eventually save the friend that he could not. Of course, he would have to be able to see through Gilbert a lot sooner to save himself and his Padawan.
Cagalli Yula Athha,
Her character seemed as if Fukuda cut her IQ down or something. Cagalli is a rash character, however a lot of things she said and did in Seed made sense while the plot of Destiny forced her to do things that made no sense. This also brings up the plot hole of why she could not come out of her cockpit and show the ORB forces her face. Her character was useless on the battlefield, cried every time and did too many things that just did not resemble the original Cagalli. Oh yeah, then there is also Athrun. I was utterly disappointed by how Morosawa could just end such a unique relationship after Mwu and Murrue went down the drain. It was quiet eccentric with their different personalities, which was what made it so great. It is too bad that it could not follow through from Seed.
Her development in my opinion should have been focused on reconciliation with Shinn. Cagalli should have been the one to redeem ORB in Shinn's eyes, which she did the exact opposite for the first half of the series. That should have been Cagalli's main development with the spice of her (insane) brother and Athrun added into the mix.
Lacus Clyne,
Another stasis character that was used quiet a bit for fanservice. I do like the songs though, especially Fields of Hope but that still does not change the fact that she had no development. I really do not have much to say about her because he relationship with Kira is so secure that nothing seems to force her to struggle as long as her "Knight" is with her. In Seed she actually had to develop her feelings for Kira and experience her father's death. A purpose she could have served was to reveal the Destiny Plan bit by bit just as Gilbert would drop hints at the same time. Of course, there was also Meer, which really did not develop into anything since she really did not care.
Only way to make her develop is to strike Kira Yamato, and it would have been great to see her reaction as Kira walk down the path of insanity.
Lunamaria Hawke
As far as I am concerned she is a stand in for Shinn's psychotic girlfriend who was doomed to die. Her relationship with Shinn in the latter part of the series was based on emotional comfort, since she was fangirl for the first half of the series. Tradition dictates that Shinn as the protagonist needs a girl, but since I am such a numbskull in terms of girls I really do not know how Shinn would be attracted to anyone.
Gilbert Dullindal
He's presence presents the same interesting atmosphere as Rau and I think he should have been the one to fully explain some of the mysteries of the CE Universe being the geneticist that he is. SEED factor, Evidence 01, Hibikis demise, separation of Kira and Cagalli, and the Ultimate Coordinator Project in more detail. He should also have been dropping hints of the Destiny Plan instead of it being revealed so late in the series.
The paths of humanity should have been a major theme, but it was unfortunate to see it develop at a improper pace because of poor writing.
That was a long rant and I would have put this in the "What would you change about GSD?" thread if the last post was not half a year old.
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I finished listening to episode 31 of the Gundamn! podcast from the guys at MAHQ. In their Gundam round up, they review Gundam Seed Destiny. Hilarious! Ride the Destiny hate train folks. Check it out.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Azure wrote: | | This also brings up the plot hole of why she could not come out of her cockpit and show the ORB forces her face. Her character was useless on the battlefield, cried every time and did too many things that just did not resemble the original Cagalli. |
Lol I was thinking the same thing.. Why couldn't she just come out of her cockpit and show her face...?o_O Could have made it much more easier.. And the soldiers would recognise her... And yeah~ Didn't like it how Cagalli is crying to much as well... She was such a confident and strong girl in SEED, but suddenly in destiny.....lolxD |
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Okay i know im just kind of complaining here but im trying to start up discussion in a dead topic so ill start saying some of the things that I didnt like about destiny.
I thought the first several episodes were awesome leading up until Junius seven falling then it just started going downhill and then took a nose dive. Of course all that said I still thought Destiny was a pretty good series just didnt live up to expectations or to how good seed was.
First I think they should have expanded on the Junius Seven incident, i.e. where did the terroisists and such things they could have got several episodes and some character development in AThrun from that.
That is another thing the charcter development in this series was atrocious, Athrun might as well be on a loop he did the same thing in destiny and seed. Kira and LAcus had no development whatsoever, or development in their relationship there still like an old couple except without any love between them, theres almostnever any show of affection for eachother besides hugging, and they opened an orphanage together so Kira could sit on the porch while she plays with kids. Cagalli in seed her character was still very emotional and acted on her emotions but she stood up and fought for her beliefs and was willing to die, in Destiny she was bent and molded like playdo. Mwu I thought it was horrible how they brought him back, I loved him as Neo but from the moment I heard his voice and saw the mask I thought thats Mwu and they're goign to bring him back and im going to hate it. ANd Shinn's charcter was supposed to be the main charcter but when Kira and the ARchangel appeared the spotlight was stolen from him beacuse Moroswa loves Kira, which is ridiculous that the show is not focused on the main charcter.
Also the number of recap episodes in this was ridiculous, they even had one like 4 or so episodes from the end from Meer's perspective and then they had the episodes of rescueing Meer. Which made me want to put a bullet in my brain that they would waste some of the last episodes of the series on a minor charcter. And that apparently because Kira and Athrun are coordinators they can fight like ninjas and jave super speed and strength(which I know they did in seed to It just really annoyed me here).
The final two episodes of the series were really good, except for the ridiculous laziness behind them episode 49 and 50 I think was almost all stock footage with backrounds and mobile suit colors changed. And the fact that after they killed Djibril they decided to dump the bad guy roll on Dullindal just for the last couple episodes.
The mobile suit designs in this show were not good either. The Strike Freedom it would have made alot more sense to have them just upgrade the Freedom or somehting rather than build a whole new Gundam thats mostly the same. The IJ might as well call it the Justice with a couple extra beamsabers and some on its feet. The destiny I thought was very bad looking. The Legend just the providence with a bigger backpack. THe chaos was absolutely horrible looking. The Gaia was alright, very similar to the Blitz. The Abyss was the only one where they showed a hint of somehting new with it being a submarine, all the other ones didnt have any new concepts on them just larger backpacks or a few more weapons.
I did like the look of the savior, but I didnt like the mobile suits fighting capabilities especially considering AThrun is stronger in melee than ranged, which is quite obvious by his inability to shoot down the chaos.
Also another thing that annoyed me was who Zaft gave their gundams too. First they give the impulse to Shinn a kid who has never been in a battle before. Then after he is done with it they give it to Lunamaria. I mean do the words Faith Members mean anyhting to these people when deciding who to give the gundams too. Rather than some teenagers with no combat experience.
So in short I think that the series downfall was Fukowa spending most of his budget not on animation. ANd most of all by Moroswa's horrible writing. |
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| Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 6:23 am Post subject: |
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I just finished watching the Gundam seed destiny series:)
I thought it was good, but there were quite a lot of times when there were flashbacks..-.-; I was quite annoyed with that..
I also watched Destiny final plus.. I was quite disappointed because i thought there weren't any "extra" explanations.. I thought they would maybe talk about the aftermath of the final episode..! T^T
Sigh, I hope they do something so it shows what happened afterwards..
Although I have some disappointments, I still liked watching these series:) |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:16 am Post subject: apologies for late reply |
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| Falcon wrote: | | In my opinion, the strongest part of this series was its music, I'll admit that GSD's music is by far the best music I heard in anime. GSD's other strong point are its mobile suit designs and technology, despite the weak story line, the mech were amazing, especially the Murasame. |
hello, i do not wish to appear like i'm flaming the poster, but i really have to disagree with his/her remark about the "weak story line". again, this is only my opinion, but i thought the plot was very good, had a broad view of the whole gundam universe & i thoroughly enjoyed the way the characters evolved between GS & GSD. having said that, i did notice that there was some moments where a certain character was acting out of their usual nature. i do agree that the music & the mech was very good.
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I too found GSD to be an excellent anime series, While Gundam Seed did extremely well in depicting the diverse aspects of human nature, Gundam Seed Destiny did brilliantly in portraying the politics of man. Taking an awfully bold decision to step out of the usual Gundam terrain,  I know Destiny will disappoint some with its multi “protagonist” story line which led to limited character development, but I think it more than made up for it with the choice and consequences narrative it had leaving what’s right and wrong pretty much up to the viewer.
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| That Guy wrote: | | I too found GSD to be an excellent anime series, While Gundam Seed did extremely well in depicting the diverse aspects of human nature, Gundam Seed Destiny did brilliantly in portraying the politics of man. Taking an awfully bold decision to step out of the usual Gundam terrain, |
Sorry, but can you tell me what Gundam you were watching? Merchant's of Death have been done before in not just Gundam but lot's of other anime's as well. Same with the shadowy evil Orginazation inside an evil organization. Aside from havign Shinn lose at the very end GSD reused more Gundam' tropes then pretty much any Gundam before it and not necessarily in the most creative way either. Not to mention for the all the "in depth" politiciing, the logic tossed around at the end of the series to justify attacking ZAFT and Durandal is appauling simplistic and ill-founded.
| Quote: | | I know Destiny will disappoint some with its multi “protagonist” story line |
LArgely because it's not a multi-protagonist story line, Kira remains the antagonist throughout the seires the fcus change simply grants him more screen time which the writers do nothign with. But we'd had this discussion already as well, even witht he change in screen time it doesn't change his character role as the antagonist.
| Quote: | | which led to limited character development, |
Try none at all. Kira get's more screen time but does not grow or change even once, it's almost mind numbing how some people actually consider that good writing.
| Quote: | | but I think it more than made up for it with the choice and consequences narrative it had leaving what’s right and wrong pretty much up to the viewer. |
Except it doesn't. What's right and wrong were spelled out for us by Fukuda, it was supposed to be laid out for us in the hsow but Fukuda basically admits through his quotes in his post Destiny Interviews that his message wasn't clearly conveyed because because the writing was so bad.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:11 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Sorry, but can you tell me what Gundam you were watching? Merchant's of Death have been done before in not just Gundam but lot's of other anime's as well. Same with the shadowy evil Orginazation inside an evil organization. Aside from havign Shinn lose at the very end GSD reused more Gundam' tropes then pretty much any Gundam before it and not necessarily in the most creative way either. |
I have seen a few other Gundam series and the “bold” difference I was referring to was that while, (in my opinion) most Gundam series that I have seen focus more on the fights and the differences of each faction, where as I found Both GS and GSD to focus more on the characters and their (personal) beliefs and struggles .
As to its lack of originality, I’m a film student and finding a completely original story is next to impossible in this day and age.
| Quote: | | Not to mention for the all the "in depth" politiciing, the logic tossed around at the end of the series to justify attacking ZAFT and Durandal is appauling simplistic and ill-founded. |
That’s the beauty of it, if “mature adults” makes bad decisions when they have too much power, what’s to stop a teenager with a god complex and his monarchists twin sister from using their power as they see fit. Also while you may see what they did as horrendous or idiotic, they simply did what they thought was the right thing to do. Simply put its human nature to think your way of life is the right way.
| Quote: | | LArgely because it's not a multi-protagonist story line, Kira remains the antagonist throughout the seires the fcus change simply grants him more screen time which the writers do nothign with. But we'd had this discussion already as well, even witht he change in screen time it doesn't change his character role as the antagonist. |
Why has everything got to be black and white, what I can’t agree with the choices made by one character while you do the same with another, I mean this a story were almost every single character of importance has their own personal goal or reason for fighting, what makes one persons story more important.
| Quote: | | Try none at all. Kira get's more screen time but does not grow or change even once, it's almost mind numbing how some people actually consider that good writing. |
Yes it is true Kira did not have a change in personality or beliefs throughout the series, but he has changed a great deal since GS, you could almost say “he found himself”, or came into his own by developing a set of beliefs he feels strongly about (fool hearted or not) he stuck by them which I think shows great growth from the previous series.
Also to say there is no character development is a bit harsh. The likes of Lunamaria and Meyrin Hawke both show definite changes in their character throughout series. Captain Talia Gladys discovers “her true purpose in life”. Even Mu shows great character depth as a zombie
| Quote: | | Except it doesn't. What's right and wrong were spelled out for us by Fukuda, it was supposed to be laid out for us in the hsow but Fukuda basically admits through his quotes in his post Destiny Interviews that his message wasn't clearly conveyed because because the writing was so bad |
Well then Fukuda mistakenly produced a fine piece of animation.
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Hello, welcome to seed-forum.
| Quote: | | i thought the plot was very good |
I don't, but sharing opinions is why we get together. Anyway, the reasons I disliked the plot was because there were several things that were hinted at that didn't appear (Rey vs. Neo, development for the Extended, especially Stellar, the Freedom being involved in the deaths of Shinn's family, and a real conclusion to the Kira/Shinn rivalry, among others), several unnecessary deaths, (Heine, great example, it seemed to be done so Athrun would get pissed at Kira, but since that never really panned out, it was really a useless death, since Heine seemed to be a mature figure who could have been a great mentor character to everyone. Stellar was the other big one, I understand they wanted Shinn to have a reason to go after the Freedom, but that could have just as easily been done by some other means, and it could have been great development for several characters to have Stellar try to adjust to being more than just a weapon), and the blatant plot bias for anyone on Kira's side (Mu returning to life, Kira surviving yet another one of his gundams blowing up around him, Athrun and Meyrin surviving the same, Mu blocking another anti-matter cannon, etc), and not making any real attempt to be original (Athrun's character path is the exact same, Freedom/SFreedom, Justice/InJustice, Providence/Legend, Genesis/Neo Genesis, Fou-Stellar and her Psych-Destroy taking out Hon-Berlin, the Hyaku-Shi-I mean Akatsuki, huge battle where one of the major enemies is killed in phase 29 in GS and 28 in GSD, a battle for Orb at around Episode 40, etc).
So, suffice to say, I found the plot of GSD to be extremely lacking compared to what it could have been with a more competent writing staff.
| Quote: | | i did notice that there was some moments where a certain character was acting out of their usual nature |
Amen to that, classic example being Rey in Episode 50 randomly declaring he was Rau, despite the fact that Rey had been alive at the same time as Rau, thus he knew that the two of them were different people, despite the fact that if Rey actually were Rau he would have completely disagreed with Durandal's plan because Rau hated humanity, despite the fact that Rey knew perfectly well he was a clone of Al Da Flaga, not Rau Le Creuset, despite the fact that only a couple of episodes prior he flat declared he wasn't the same as Rau Le Creuset, and that even though he was a clone he was still his own person.
It's that sort of stuff that makes me hate Morosawa's writing.
| Quote: | | mech was very good. |
They could have been even better with a little more originality, rather than Freedom/Justice/Providence vrs. 2.0 |
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| That Guy wrote: | | I have seen a few other Gundam series and the “bold” difference I was referring to was that while, (in my opinion) most Gundam series that I have seen focus more on the fights and the differences of each faction, where as I found Both GS and GSD to focus more on the characters and their (personal) beliefs and struggles . |
No, SEED focused on the fights and the differences in each faction too, this is precisely why you got the first episode from every conceivable angle there was. The other thing I should point out is this done in Turn A and Gundam X, and done so much better as well. Where you don't have to suffer through needlessly drawn out story archs to get the job done either.
| Quote: | | As to its lack of originality, I’m a film student and finding a completely original story is next to impossible in this day and age. |
The problem here is SEED, and Destiny take their entire first arcs from UC Gundam series. Hell, 3/4 of Gundam SEED is Mobile Suit Gundam, with only names and mecha changed and archs needlessly drawn out.
| Quote: | | That’s the beauty of it, if “mature adults” makes bad decisions when they have too much power, what’s to stop a teenager with a god complex and his monarchists twin sister from using their power as they see fit. |
The problem is it's not painted that they're doign anythinh wrong. Neigh the writing actually makes it seem they're the heros and aren't abusing their powers at all.
| Quote: | | Also while you may see what they did as horrendous or idiotic, they simply did what they thought was the right thing to do. |
Which at it's heart doesn't change it's horrendous and idiotic, and for a faciton that espouses peace it's more then a ltitle hypocritical to see them going to war on such filmsy grond as using a statement not even issues by the guy they think is evil. Not to mention it's insane vangueness, that's jsut horrible writing.
| Quote: | | Simply put its human nature to think your way of life is the right way. |
Of course agian, none of this is in the story, these are all just perosnal inferences you had to make to justify why the TSA acts like raving D-bags. It's not good writing is none of this even comes through in the show, which it doesn't, you yourself had to be told TSA were supposed to be the ones not necessarily on the side of Justice here. So obviously the story didn't come through as it should have.
| Quote: | | Why has everything got to be black and white, |
Because shifting the focus doens't change the character archetypes laid out by the story. Even with most of the focus on his side Kira still acts as the antagonistic character in the whole thing with Lacus pulling his strings.
| Quote: | | what I can’t agree with the choices made by one character while you do the same with another, I mean this a story were almost every single character of importance has their own personal goal or reason for fighting, what makes one persons story more important. |
Wait what? Character Archtypes should be fluid just because all the characters have different goals? And you speak like this is vastly different from ANY Gundam series ever produces. Show me a Gundam where multiple members of the cast didn't have totally deverging ideas on what they were fighting, becuase I can tell you no such Gundam exists, it doesn't change the fact certain characters fit the story archetypes they're meant to fit, no matter who's getitng the spot light at the time.
| Quote: | | Yes it is true Kira did not have a change in personality or beliefs throughout the series, but he has changed a great deal since GS, you could almost say “he found himself”, or came into his own by developing a set of beliefs he feels strongly about (fool hearted or not) he stuck by them which I think shows great growth from the previous series. |
Since GS? Everything you just said he did IN GS, that is not progression since GS, he's the same damn character he was at the end of the series. Hell, in GS his beliefs and views actually REGRESSED to what they were before he started getitng into serious fighting.
| Quote: | | Also to say there is no character development is a bit harsh. |
How is it harsh to say there was no character development for Kira, when you yourself just acknowledged it as well?
| Quote: | | The likes of Lunamaria and Meyrin Hawke both show definite changes in their character throughout series. |
Except I was talking about Kira, but how did Meyrin change exactly? Following Athrun and helping him did not change her in anyway, and Luna's only change was suddenly she liked Shinn.
| Quote: | | Captain Talia Gladys discovers “her true purpose in life”. |
Which was what? Dieing with Durandal in the most contrived ending one could possibly write, just to give the TSA a more complete god stomping of ZAFT?
| Quote: | | Even Mu shows great character depth as a zombie |
By being the exact same character he was in the first series, just thinking he had a different name and rank.
| Quote: | | Well then Fukuda mistakenly produced a fine piece of animation. |
Sure if we considered sudden and completely disjointed personality changes development, reviving dead characters with no explaination as to how they survived as a good story, and consider unique character archtypes to be copy and pasted from any self insert fan fiction.
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“Let’s Just Agree to Disagree”. It’s pretty clear you found GSD to be a terribly bad written and directed series, where as I quite enjoyed it and I highly doubt debating how bad my taste in anime is will solve anything..
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| Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 9:09 am Post subject: too many recaps(?) |
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"what should I say about SEED Destiny? Well in my opinion all of this mess and confusion is a result of too many recaps"
i must say, i agree with you (& other posters) re. this point. but that being said, there was one such episode i thought was quite cleverly done. shinn was looking back on his past & such recaps (if used sparingly) were useful for getting back stories & info on how/why a specific character thought/behaved in a certain way under specific circumstances.
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