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| mechaboy_c143 wrote: | | Astray MJ was the only MPed Red Frame? Doesn't the M1 Astrays were also MPed of Red Frame? (Or you want to say the M1 were MPed of the 3 prototype Astrays... :?) |
M1's are mass produced Astrays. They're not Gundams.
The Astray that the Mars Jacket is equipped to it literally called "Mass Produced Gundam Astray," but, in the only pic shown of it, is completely different from an M1.
Also, the shadowed Astray in the development chart is called "East Asia Gundam."
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| Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Soultaker7 wrote: | | Grammar, please. |
Sorry... since I'm currently using the internet in the university (LAN Network), yesterday when I wrote that (in good grammar!), the computer i'm using suddenly disconnected. So, I went to the other computer which was still online, and I log into Seed-forum.com again, and post the reply again, but before I press "Submit" button, the computer disconnected...
Then, I went to the other computer... (repeat 3x)...
Because I feel like been PWNED over and over, I said to my self:
"Goddammit! No matter what, I'M GOING TO POST FOR SURE!!!!  "
Finally, I went to the last computer, (doing the above process in 2 minutes, ignoring grammar) and finally.... SUBMIT!!! :relieved:
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BTW, thanks for the scan, hoping someone would send better ones. 
| Raven wrote: | | Also, the shadowed Astray in the development chart is called "East Asia Gundam." |
Which one? The one which I said connected from the Raysta and Red Frame?
Hmm??? "East Asia Gundam?"  |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:57 am Post subject: |
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Apparently the UT1 was both based on the M1 Astray and the Raysta (created by Yoon Sefan, a Morgenroete ditzy engineer who worked on the Astray (Raysta is an anagram of Astray, after all)) - after Orb fell I guess that the technology went abroad and wild so there might have been different types of MP Astrays, for civilian purposes. Not to mention prototypes gone astray and expanded on (Lowe Gear and such).
As for the East Asia Gundam, it's not surprising to see one empty slot there - MSV family trees often do that and let them empty until the artists finally come up with a design and submit it to the presses - one example of a slot that was programmed a long time ago but go trashcanned is the M2 Astray, which got 'deleted' by Bandai/Sunrise (perhaps because they couldn't come up with something useful or interesting).
Someone asked for a bigger scan?
http://xs207.xs.to/xs207/06394/1158842459625ei4.jpg
Translation needed, please.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:23 am Post subject: |
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| mechaboy_c143 wrote: |
| Raven wrote: | | Also, the shadowed Astray in the development chart is called "East Asia Gundam." |
Which one? The one which I said connected from the Raysta and Red Frame?
Hmm??? "East Asia Gundam?" |
East Asia Gundam was the EA's East Asian Gundam that was in MSV chart
But Due to the creators finding no use for it, they removed it off the MSV chart along with M2 Astray. |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:30 am Post subject: |
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| Soultaker7 wrote: | | Whoop-dee-doo. Stargazer can use a DSSD Astray's pistol. :-/ |
Um, does that pistol have ammunition or something? Since I doubt Stargazer has Orb weaponry handplugs (or any handplugs at all)...
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| Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:31 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the scan... 
| Soultaker7 wrote: | | Whoop-dee-doo. Stargazer can use a DSSD Astray's pistol. :-/ |
Oh, I didn't notice that. That gun would be useful in emergency case, such as - Phantom Pain's attempt to steal the Stargazer (refer "Stage 2"), we may see Stargazer would try to avoid Strike Noir's attack, altough a gun didn't do much... well, that's my speculation for "Stage 3" (Wrong thread... ). However, I don't know if Stargazer could use the gun since it was developed for space exploration, not for combat. Maybe Sol would control the Stargazer to use the gun for defending (from enemy attacks) purposes, but maybe causes Stargazer's AI learned Sol's action to be offensive... (Look, I've gone too far! )
| firefox wrote: | From teh official stargazer site:
http://www.seed-stargazer.net/mechanics/dssd.html
UT-1D Civilian Astray DSSD Custom:
"... Together with the M1A's high AMBAC traceability, it has a subtle yet responsive high mobility capability. Its characteristic thrusters centered on the back are an electromagnetic propulsion system precursor to the Voiture Lumiere..." |
AMBAC? I tought only the Quebeleys (UC timeline) have the AMBAC capabilities. Also, it was a fact that the VL was first tested on the Astrays (but with different system (EMP?) ), before applies it to Stargazer.
Err.. what is the meaning of AMBAC anyway? |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:44 am Post subject: |
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| mechaboy_c143 wrote: |
AMBAC? I tought only the Quebeleys (UC timeline) have the AMBAC capabilities. Also, it was a fact that the VL was first tested on the Astrays (but with different system (EMP?) ), before applies it to Stargazer.
Err.. what is the meaning of AMBAC anyway? |
AMBAC stands for Active Mass Balance Auto Control. In short its simply a system that allows mobile suites to manuever efficiently in zero gravity using Vernier thrusters to change direction. Heres in short the definition Via Gundam Official.
Active Mass Balance Auto-Control (AMBAC) A system which allows mobile suits to maneuver more efficiently in zero gravity. Conventional spacecraft employ vernier thrusters to change their direction, but using verniers to turn and perform evasive maneuvers in combat consumes a lot of propellant. When the first mobile suits were developed, the engineers of the Zeonic company devised an alternative maneuvering method based on active mass movement.
When one part of a mobile suit is moved, it produces a counter-movement in the opposite direction, as per Newton's Third Law of Motion. For example, when a mobile suit swings its arm to the right, its body turns to the left in response. The AMBAC system uses this effect to adjust the mobile suit's direction without expending propellant. Thus, in zero gravity the mobile suit's arms and legs are not dead weight, but a vital component of its maneuvering system. After the One Year War, some mobile suits are also equipped with movable binders which function as part of the AMBAC system.
In short it would most likely be the same as the wing of light from the CE universe as well as the way Stargazer is able to muneuver so easily through space during exploration.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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@Gaiar:
Errr....Gaiar, AMBAC here refers to moving limbs and various parts of the body so as to reduce fuel consumption by making use of kinetic and centrifugal energy. When using the AMBAC mode, not even the apogee thrusters (or vernier thrusters, if you want) are used because the body's movements are enough to allow the MS to move through space without wasting an ounce of propergol (or whatever they use as propellant since Shigeru Morita has admitted that the staff never came up with an explanation as to what powered those thrusters - whether it was fuel, biomass or something else).
| Quote: | | When one part of a mobile suit is moved, it produces a counter-movement in the opposite direction, as per Newton's Third Law of Motion. For example, when a mobile suit swings its arm to the right, its body turns to the left in response. The AMBAC system uses this effect to adjust the mobile suit's direction without expending propellant. |
AMBAC here allows to move without the help of vernier thrusters. Knowing that DSSD Astrays are used to manipulate objects in space with utmost care and precision, the AMBAC is a perfect way to impart the pilots with extremely precise movements so as to not damage equipment and whatnot.
@Razor.the.red:
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/9659/1156326303780dw1.png
I'm not sure what the contraption underneath is - either it is a charger/battery of sorts or it's a weird beam saber. I'm not certain but the pistol seems to have a curved upper part - which looks like a magazine but the lineart doesn't feature any other drawing that might support that assumption. Either it's part of the weapon itself and is indissociable or it's a removable. I'm nevertheless rooting for the hand-plug system, since the Raysta and the UT1 were made by former Morgenroete engineers fleeing Orb and seeking for a different employer. It's not impossible for the technology to have made its way in DSSD - or, for DSSD to have developed its own hand-plug technology for its own array of hand-held research tools.
If we assume that Stargazer is equipped with that hypothetical DSSD hand-plug technology - made for a vast panoply of systems, either offensive, defensive or scientific, then maybe it can use weapons, although I doubt Stargazer would have been programmed to do so or have full compatibility and proficiency with the said systems.
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@Red Comet
The latest D-MSV charts still include the East Asia Gundam, as far as I know.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:48 am Post subject: |
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| Raven wrote: | @Red Comet
The latest D-MSV charts still include the East Asia Gundam, as far as I know. |
Opps my bad then |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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Since i only seen the RAW what did DSSD have anything to do with S.Freedom and I.Justice shining joints? ANd what did they have anyhting 2 do with Stargazer when it was activated?
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| X2000 GOUF Ignited wrote: | | Since i only seen the RAW what did DSSD have anything to do with S.Freedom and I.Justice shining joints? ANd what did they have anyhting 2 do with Stargazer when it was activated? |
Whatever DSSD had to do with SF and IJ is unknown - they could have either worked solely on the propulsion, the nuclear reactor, the frame or the weapons. We don't know if they were the ones who created the joints.
However, Shigeru Morita, the setting advisor, revealed in the 1/60 model manual that the glowing joints were a concept ripped off Universal Century's RX-78-2, RX-78-3 and RX-78NT-1 mechs - magnetic coating-covered joints enabling faster reactions to the pilot's decisions and better dogfight maneuvers. SG's joints rather seem to have a role with the Voiture Lumière and might be electromagnetic emitters instead of MC joints, since they only seem to light up when SG is about to spread its solar sail. When Sol and Selene used the energy particle-retaining field (which captures beam shots and make them revolve around the Stargazer like an atomic nucleus would keep electrons revolving around it; Stargazer probably released them by cutting off the field and have the energy particles fly off through use of centrifugal force), those golden lines weren't glowing and neither were they when SG engaged the Slaughter Daggers.
The only instances we saw those golden lines lighting up were when VL started up - and if you noticed, the inside of the ring is also glowing in the same fashion and witht the same colors, meaning that its innards are coated with the same device. So I believe it's magnetic field technology instead the SF's now official use of magnetic joints. However, since they both use electromagnetic technology and principles, I guess one system might have led to the development of the other.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:35 am Post subject: |
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what kind of armor does Stargazer have
it doenst look like it has phase shift armor
however it can withstand a blast from an explosion
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| Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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What explosion? When he was hit by the station's propulsion beam? It was caught up by the Voiture Lumiere, if that's what you're talking about.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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| How fast was Stargazer moving when it reached Venus and how fast was it moving on the return? Would the Volt system work if it was scaled up for ships? |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Razor.the.red wrote: | | What explosion? When he was hit by the station's propulsion beam? It was caught up by the Voiture Lumiere, if that's what you're talking about. |
well yeah that one
soo it looks like there arent any official information about Stargazer armor i presume 
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| Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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Since the Stargazer wasn't meant for combat in the first place, I doubt it's armor is stronger then the average (unarmored, mosquito-like) EA MS. And the armor of the average EA MS is as good as non-existing.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:02 am Post subject: |
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And to add, it's strictly to fend off debris, not beam weapons.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:46 am Post subject: |
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...Although, if the DSSD really intended Stargazer to probe deep space, they'd have to make its armour really strong.
Why?
Radiation in space is really bad. In many situations, stars emit huge amounts of rapidly lethal and destructive radiation - gamma rays, X-rays, UV, infrared, basically the entire electromagnetic spectrum. No deep-space-faring probe can survive that kind of frying without some form of protection. Ergo, taking a particle beam blast MAY (note use) only result in minor damage, depending on intensity and frequency.
Using beam shields all the time may be a bit impractical... especially for power conservation purposes.
Oh well, we may never know.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:40 am Post subject: |
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From what we've seen, radiation doesn't seem to be much of a problem in the SEED universe. I mean, modern spacesuits also have quite some stuff which protects the wearer from things our sun produces. But in SEED, (as well as any other Gundam universe) the spacesuits seem to be very tight fitting...
Not to mention the fact that Nuclear fission reactors with sufficient protection can fit inside MS. Hm, whatever. It's just anime...
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:03 am Post subject: |
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Though we still need some sense of realism. That's what CE is lacking in some ways, and Stargazer is there to cope it.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Stargazer would need heavier armour to deal with micro-meteorites. They are far more dangerous than the larger variety and harder to spot. If they have any real velocity they would go through normal armour without any trouble. I would want to have phase shift armour on the Stargazer just for this. Don't forget the the DSSD Astrays have the additional protection on their heads for the same reason. And yes I know the explanation was that since they spend so much time around earth they are more likely to encounter smaller debri than most other mobile suits. At the same time Stargazer is a mobile suit built for extended autonomous exploration. It could spend months if not longer away from its base. Most mobile suits are only launched for short periods ar a time, inbetween which they are serviced by their mechanics. A mobile suit that is constantly exposed to space has a far higher chance of being hit by stray meteorites. It would be lame to lose a multi-million or billion dollar suit because they skimped in the armor and a single micro-meteorite blew through it. PS or VPS, anything less would just be stupid. |
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Strike Gundam E + IWSP
This is basically the Strike Noir in Sven's colors with IWSP...  The "E" in X105E it seems stands for "Enhanced"...
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