[Destiny] Character Discussion

Klaha Sama · Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 1:51 pm Post subject: [Destiny] Character Discussion

With the old topic archived I think it would be a good idea to revive this thread. Basically any discussion or comments regarding any of the characters that appeared in Gundam Seed Destiny should take place here. Also relationships between characters can be discussed here as well whether it be romantic, friendship or rivalry.

I guess I'll start things off discussing about some romantic relationships between characters. While I haven't watched the special editions for Gundam Seed Destiny yet it would seem at this point there have been some strides in the Kira x Lacus and Shinn x Luna relationships. There have also been some interesting Athrun x Cagalli parts as well.

For the Kira x Lacus relationship I heard they have added a few more close scenes between them similar to the moments they shared in Phase 39 when Kira saved Eternal from Zaft. This kind of makes them start to look like an actual couple now. I hope they continue that trend. As for Shinn x Luna I read that Luna hanging around Athrun so much as been taken out and she has actually shown interest in Shinn. For example when Athrun was slapping Shinn around Luna actually looked concerned for Shinn. Also instead of Athrun picking Shinn up when he and Stellar were stranded it was Luna who picked Shinn up. For Athrun and Cagalli their kiss scene that occurred in Phase 8 was changed to a kiss on the cheek. We also had the necklace that Cagalli gave to Athrun make an appearance again. It makes me wonder what direction these couples will be going as the special edition continues to air.

DanteX · Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:20 pm Post subject:

Well, I'm glad that they're now at least trying to add some substance to the Shinn x Luna relationship. That one made absolutely no sense to me at all.
Though even with all these new scenes between them, it'll still be a bit too odd. I mean, unless they change it so that Shinn didnt destroy Athrun and Meyrin in the GOUF, and it was Rey instead. Otherwise, it'll still be ridiculous seeing Luna start cuddling with the guy who just killed her sister.

As for Kira x Lacus...I dont like them in Destiny. At all. Way to perfect. The godly, infallible pilot, with infallible logic, and the amazingly beautiful pink haired singer with the beautiful voice, who's always right, never wrong, and who's words are capable of halting the entire ZAFT military.

They're to perfect and annoying. I'll leave it at that, since if I go on, I'll just end up bashing for like another page....

Cagalli x Athrun...I'm not liking the way they've been done in Destiny. I liked them as a couple, and I cant understand why Fukuda and Morosawa wanted to be rid of their relationship like that. I dont get it. They've put the entire spotlight of destiny on Kira the god pilot, and Lacus the perfect teenage girl, but they destroyed one of the most popular and enduring relationships in all of CE?
Why? Did they even give a reason for ending that relationship?

Destinyblade · S.E.E.D. Joined: 30 Jul 2005 Posts: 4482 19525 Units

It probably was a mistake to archive this topic since it had like 70+ pages to it, so I'm going to sticky this topic since it's a popular one and that way, I won't archive it in the future.
_________________

Member of Anime Honors Society

Mega Gundam · Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:38 pm Post subject:

Dude, that first post helps me understand and accept the Shinn/Luna relationship even more. I mean ive always been rooting for them to get together but the way it happened was just not convincing but all the while i was happy for them.

SirWence · Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 8:48 pm Post subject:

puke · Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:26 am Post subject:

cagallixathrun couple looked so good in seed, why they have to break up in seed destiny??????? Sad

_________________
GUNDAM TRIPLE TRIAD ROXORS!!

All Dur Fanboyz Should Die

Mega Gundam · Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:47 am Post subject:

I dont think they broke up, theyre just on hiatus.

Klaha Sama · Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:16 pm Post subject:

SirWence · Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:03 pm Post subject:

Yes, I agree with you I read something similiar the "war comrades" thing. Though to any normal person Holding a woman in your arms and telling her how glad and lucky you are to have met her and then a deep kiss, then proposeing to her in phase 8 with another deep kiss. That isn't a war comrade relationship. Seems Either him or his wife or both were just trying to make an excuse for a grave mistake ( and politicans give better excuses then that because I just proved it wrong in under the 60 seconds it took me to type this) The question is would they really back down and change it to be as it should be? I hope so But I am doubting it.

Edit: Also Cagalli was seen holding back her tears after her breif conversation with Meyrin..just more supporting evidence to the general point that they are lovers.
_________________
To be Guided by the light of reason you must let your mind be bold

Klaha Sama · Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:33 pm Post subject:

I think the hug that we saw between Athrun and Cagalli in the Final Phase Plus was also another indication that they still have strong feelings for one another. I don't think the fact they still care about one another comes into question with fans it's whether or not Cagalli will have the time to be with Athrun. I find that kind of ridiculous since Lacus is supposed to be some kind of moderator between Zaft and Orb yet no one makes a big deal if she'll have time to be with Kira or not. I personally feel that Athrun and Cagalli could still have a relationship even though she'll be busy running Orb. I say this because it worked out in the past as after Gundam Seed ended I am assuming Cagalli became leader of Orb because her father was dead. Athrun and Cagalli had two years together then and things didn't start going wrong until the second war started. At the time Athrun felt useless because he couldn't do anything as Alex Dino, Cagalli's bodyguard. This time it's different because Athrun is officially a member of Orb's military so he can work together with Cagalli to help rebuild Orb.

I really don't like how Athrun and Cagalli's characters were handled on a one on one basis. Athrun got brainwashed by Gilbert's words which puts him up against Kira and Cagalli. It's odd how he'll believe the words of some guy he just met instead of his best friend and girlfriend. You would have thought Athrun had learned his lesson from Gundam Seed. It's understandable that he wanted to protect the ones he cared about but he should have worked together with them in order to succeed. Cagalli was very toned down in this series as opposed to Gundam Seed. She really let her emotions gets to her more it seemed like. She also let other people push her around as Shinn done so verbally and Yuuna and his father done so mentally. I'm glad both of them snapped out of it near the end of the series but overall I feel their characters took a hit because of their earlier actions.

Destinyblade · S.E.E.D. Joined: 30 Jul 2005 Posts: 4482 19525 Units

loner9 · Technician Joined: 22 Jul 2006 Posts: 48 90 Units

isnt this intire post a spam?
_________________

Gaiar · Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:40 pm Post subject:

Loner9 please dont spam. Please post something substantial.
_________________

I would like to thank Limyc for the banner.

when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth

loner9 · Technician Joined: 22 Jul 2006 Posts: 48 90 Units

im spaming? i was just saying that this thread or post or what ever its called is a spam???????????????? Confused

_________________

Klaha Sama · Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 2:02 pm Post subject:

loner9, spam is a post that doesn't add anything worthwhile to a conversation. Usually it's really off topic. If you still have questions about spam or anything else that doesn't pertain to Gundam Seed Destiny characters and relationships I suggest you PM either myself or another moderator and we'll be glad to answer your question.

After viewing the latest post in the Gundam Seed Destiny Special Edition Discussion thread I now see that they changed the Kira, Athrun and Cagalli meeting quite a bit. Instead of Athrun being angry at Cagalli and Kira he seems more confused than anything. It would seem more doubt in Gilbert is put into him through these discussions. The part where Athrun tells Cagalli off by telling her to go change the treaty instead of running around on the battlefield is cut. At the very end when Athrun walks away and Cagalli calls his name, he sees her ring, but unlike the original, he says nothing before he walks off. I now continue to wonder where the Athrun and Cagalli relationship will be going. Some fans like to point this meeting out as one of the low points for the relationship but since it was changed it doesn't seem as bad now. The meeting was strictly business and Athrun didn't have a "I'm right, you're wrong" mind set so he doesn't look like such a fool once it's all said and done with.

loner9 · Technician Joined: 22 Jul 2006 Posts: 48 90 Units

oh so thats what spam mean Surprised

_________________

satthukaraoke · Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:48 am Post subject:

The Lacus&Kira back in Seed still feel a little like falling off from the sky to me. They're almost an idealistic form of love that formed from ... somewhere. Regardless I still find it cute and although many may think their relationship is boring in Destiny I prefer it to be that way, while there is nothing much it's not an attack on logic like the other couples and too many times I see sense is sacrified in anime for the shake of plot. Also it makes sense for the 2 characters, they already undergone all their development in Seed so now they appear as idol figure, so does their relationship. I just wishes they "show" it a little more. Someone complained in another thread that the only time Kira&Lacus hold each other is when they're in danger. A valid complain, maybe a little more lovey doven will do. Wink

The Athrun&Cagalli ... well, most of Athrun's action in Destiny doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me and it's what I call an attack on logic. The whole sequence on the Minerva enroute to Orb is way overdone in term of plot impact. Sure, Durandal is a sweet talker and Athrun may be indicisive, but there is no logical way for Durandal's word had that much of impact on Athrun so easily which promted his departure. And the relationship is one of those situation when I say "Sense takes a back seat for the shake of plot". It's just like Athrun&Cagalli is injustifibly screw up to create a little bit of drama and later it doesn't even bother to end properbly. While I'm a pro for the relationship I could still accept the Athrun&Meyrin if it had made a little more sense. I mean when Athrun told Meyrin to get off the bridge she suddenly burst "No, don't leave me alone!!". I was like "what the hell!?!?". Later when Cagalli told her to take care of him, that's even a bigger "what the hell!?!?!?" (although hell is a choice of word). It's just like they try to cramp a triangle relationship that should take at least 2/3 of the series to develope into ... 2 sequences. Rolling Eyes

The Shinn&Luna ... how should I put it? Scandinalize? Yup, something like that. The analysis are already done by some posters above and I say I agree. Although if you talk about weight in this case, I think while Shinn may has a few loose screws here and there, Luna is just ... totally messed up from start to finish. Confused

This makes me things. It's not easy to create a drama relationship. That's why I like the Murrue&Mwu one since it's simple, or why I'm really greatful for the Kira&Lacus to be as "boring" as they are (ala doesn't mess up) . Of course, a drama relationship can always be better but only when they're done right. Shinn&Luna and Athrun&Cagalli are meant to be dramatic but they're done in a horribly wrong way. If one can not do it right, stick with the simple way. I'm glad the Special Edition is addressing this so far.

SirWence · Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:45 am Post subject:

Wesley · Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:15 pm Post subject:

My thoughts on Athrun and Cagalli is that there are other fish in the sea. I mean, both of them are pretty cool characters, but they haven't sorted out what they want to do with themselves or how they feel about one another. They just might ultimately not be compatible. Able to live with eachother and what not.

On the other hand, Athrun is a pretty big stud. If things are complicated with Cagalli, it'd be far easier and more practical to find a girl who can provide support and peace of mind for him. One that hasn't shot him.

I'm not saying I'm opposed to the coupling, but it's just they aren't perfect for eachother. They have to work some things out, and they just might end up having to settle on being friends that care about one another.

Luna and Shinn, well I think she did hate him, but love and hate are pretty similar. It's a war, they're both emotionally hurt, they're both comrades. They could find comfort with one another.

Though I think Luna would be better served by not tying her down with a guy. Call her a slut if you want, but a rowdy female pilot that knows how to have a good time isn't a bad character. She could be a very fun character if she avoided guys like Shinn and Athrun who have feelings about other women.

dragado123 · Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:28 pm Post subject:

i didnt really like Kira x Lacus cause they were like really way to perfect and they were i think almost nvr wrong bout stuff they think bout

Shinn x Luna was ok and all but i think i would really like it more if stellar was still alive and it was Shinn x Stellar unstead of Shinn x Luna. To me Shinn and stellar had a really great bond for each other.

I dont no bout Cagilli and Athrun they were ok and all there bond was just messed up in the middle of the series but they were kinda cool in the first few and last few episodes
_________________

In the end you can trust no one but ur self

satthukaraoke · Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 4:31 pm Post subject:

DanteX · Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:12 am Post subject:

Wesley · Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:00 am Post subject:

Apathy is the opposite of love and hate. Love and hate are very similar, and it's quite easy to feel both at the same for the same object or person. Luna was definiently angry about what happened to her sister. As a pilot of the same ship, it was impossible for her to hate Shinn, who was a Faith member and a super ace, but she needed some kind of emotionally release towards him and loving him was the only option.

There's no commitment in their relationship. They'll probably grow apart now that Minerva's been sunk and the war has ended.

Meyrin and Athrun on the other hand...

Not saying they're a match made in heaven, but she's a good girl, he's a good guy. She's really cute and admire's him, he's a soldier full of righteous justice. Settling down with her would be much easier then trying to sort things out and develope his relationship with Cagalli.

Cagalli is now a really complicated girl. She's no longer the hot little spitfire you could run away and take on the entire world together with. She's a politician now. A very important one. If Athrun has a relationship with her, he's going to have to be the supportive one. He's the one who needs to be there for her.

They're not formally with eachother at this point. I don't think it'd serve either of them to pair them up together. It'd be fanservice if it were to happen.

satthukaraoke · Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:19 am Post subject:

Actually ... I prefer they throw out the Kira is Cagalli's brother and couple them in this:

Cagalli-Kira. Athrun&Lacus.

If you take in term of complementing each others then that works best. Kira and Lacus at this point are almost perfection so coupling them together is rather a waste of ... uhm ... resource while Athrun and Cagalli are lagging behind. And seeing how Athrun always need Lacus to open his vision, that works for the better

Klaha Sama · Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:11 pm Post subject:

I don't think Lacus and Athrun would really work out. I think Lacus just serves as inspiration to Athrun. We see her as an inspiration to many characters throughout both series. When they were together it was because they were arranged to be married by their families. My guess is that they figured they should get to know one another and hang around one another to try to make this work. I didn't sense much chemistry between the two. Sure Athrun built her the Hiro's and kissed her on the cheek every so often but that was about it. There wasn't any romance there as it was pretty apparent how easily Lacus went from Athrun to Kira. It's true that Patrick Zala told Athrun that his marriage to Lacus was off but Lacus or Athrun didn't really seem to care all that much. Athrun seemed angrier at the fact that Lacus helped out a "spy" who turned out to be Kira. As for Cagalli and Kira that is too weird for me to think about now because of the whole brother and sister thing.
_________________

I would like to thank AoV and Wing for this avatar and banner.
Administrator and member of the Anime Honors Society

	Gundam Seed Forum Index -> Gundam Seed Destiny	All times are GMT - 5 Hours Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 Next
Page 1 of 9